Saturday, May 16, 2009

Awesome Performance!

What does it take to win a Singapore May Day Award?

To play "10-20-30-40" [link] after losing between US$2.3 billion (S$3.4 billion) and US$4.6 billion (S$6.8 billion) .[link]

The escape of our money in Temasek and GIC has become as puzzling as the escape of Mas Selamat Kastari.

Lesser mortal works hard to escape from detention centre.

The Great Mortals simply escape from accountability without much effort and still get rewarded!

Looks like Mas Selamat Kastari is not the 'greatest escape artist' in Singapore after all.

Majulah Singapura!



At May 17, 2009 at 9:45 PM , Anonymous fish said...

Hi feedmetothefish,

I've come here because I recall you responding to my posts in some other blog at the time of Mas Selamat's escape. I was saying how stupid some of the conspiracy theories surrounding the escape were - like the nonsensical ramblings of some bored taxi driver - when you interjected and chided me for downplaying other people's beliefs in the evilness of our govt, and also suggested that the conspiracy theories were true.

Mas has been now been re-captured, proving of course that the conspiracy theories were all wrong.

I have not come here to laugh at you (although a part of me would not mind doing so, because I think on many levels you represent what is rotten and cynical in Singapore) but rather to extend an olive branch, and to basically say - it's ok to be wrong sometimes. =)

It is my hope that you can reflect on the re-capture of Mas and consider that maybe, sometimes, our govt is capable of telling the truth and is not actually trying to cheat its citizens.

It must be so difficult being in your company when all you seem to be concerned about is to find fault and lay blame on whoever you are biased against. Doesn't it get a bit too destructive sometimes? How about posting something positive for once? (I say this because I'm hard pressed to find a single constructive blog entry from you.)

I sincerely hope your nexus of negativity has not too adversely affected your family, and wish you and them all the best.


At May 17, 2009 at 11:22 PM , Anonymous a kind of chicken said...

Hey fish, your way of extending an olive branch is kind of rude.

"(although a part of me would not mind doing so, because I think on many levels you represent what is rotten and cynical in Singapore)"

and there is no need to add personal attacks (abt negativity) while extending an olive branch, yes? =)

I believe that this blog choose to focus on the negative aspects to counter the local media's eternal harping of all that is good abt the PAP.

That said, I agree with your broad outline. This blog is great, but it could be better if the author actively tried to highlight what is good aboout the govt.

We seek to reform our country. To do that, not only do we need to know what is wrong, we need to know what is right so that we can preserve it.

At May 18, 2009 at 12:04 PM , Anonymous cuttlefish said...

to fish,

It was a comedy of errors that allowed Mas to limped out of prison, don't you think the public should not be blamed at all for all the speculations ? How to believe at that point in time, our worldclass govt could make such stupid errors that are associated with scenarios in comedy movies. Example such as "police academy".

It is true we ordinary citizens are guilty of making mistakes but the sore point is most of us admit to it, BUT do you recall such a gesture from govt leaders. Mind you 'fish', they have made huge mistakes that impact us tremendously.

Let me sum it up for you, this bunch of greedy PAP stooges are not fit to be leaders.

From your comments I gather you represent the brain-washed and is the main reason S'pore has been rotting for some time now without checks and balance. Now tell us do you believe there is checks and balance ?

At May 18, 2009 at 10:09 PM , Anonymous fish said...

Hi a kind of chicken,

Thanks for your comments.

I didn't mean to come off as rude, and I don't think I was anyway because I was just saying something from the heart. I truly meant it when I said I hoped feedmetothefish would be less cynicial. I have a (thankfully distant) relative who's quite the same - always finding fault with the govt, or spouting some lame conspiracy theories, and generally putting a damper on the mood when we have family gatherings. It is quite sad because nobody tells him off due to his age, and his wife obviously doesn't like it and is deeply embarrassed by his behaviour... :(

Hi cuttlefish,

I'm quite taken aback by you calling me brainwashed when the only thing you know about me is that I was *correct* about the conspiracy theories surrounding Mas' escape.

How about the theorists - why don't you call them brainwashed? Aren't they the ones who are so easily influenced by others when the *proof* they sometimes rely on to propagate their ridiculous theories are so skimpy?

Sure, the circumstances of Mas' escape was dumb, but why should this absolve the (dumber) public of being wrong in their speculations? I believed the investigation results and I was proven right. Those who didn't just came off looking like fools.

But you should not speculate that I'm somehow brainwashed or that I *always* trust the "official line" on *everything*. I just used a rational line of thinking and agreed that the govt's explanation was the most plausible one.

You know there is a bias in certain pple against the govt. Would I be wrong to say this bias sometimes distorts their capability to see things rationally?

All I'm suggesting is less bias, more rationality. That way there'll be less egg on faces.


P.S. Of course I believe in having checks and balances. So do you consider me less brainwashed now? =)

At May 19, 2009 at 1:33 AM , Anonymous cuttlefish said...

To fish,
Read my question to you very carefully.
I am asking whether you believe there is checks and balance and not whether you believe in having such a system. Can you see the difference ?
Looks like you have not convinced me you are not brain-washed.

Detox your brain and maybe you can understand why there are so many negative comments against this govt and you should re-examine your own comments to feedmetothefish and learn to appreciate people who speak from the heart and not just hear only the good stuff, one reason the rot getting is worse.

You wrote a lot but it's a pity because you still don't get it.
The reason for the speculation on Mas is because no one believed the govt could commit such stupid errors and more importantly not many trust this govt. Surely you understand trust lost means credibility lost, i.e. people don't believe what you say. So can you blame the people for speculating ?
Isn't this PAP govt really dumb to lose the people's trust and dumber still when it continues to be in denial ? It has even less hope of redeeming themselves, especially with balls carriers trying to persuade bloggers to write only the good stuff.

At May 19, 2009 at 7:45 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

fish - sounds like astro turfing to me....

someone gave the same attacks about Siew KH and about 15 people contribute the same ideas - but the 15 people sound like the one and the same person doing a soliloquy.

Good post - keep it up and - well - ignore the rest and enjoy what's left bro.....

At May 19, 2009 at 10:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a fish! No write-up on MAS re-capture? How disappointing! :P

At May 20, 2009 at 1:03 AM , Anonymous fish said...

Hi cuttlefish,

Sorry I misread your post. No need to get so angry about it and then insist again that I am brainwashed. Really, why are you taking things so personally and continuing with personal attacks? Perhaps you were one of the conspiracy theorists who got it wrong and are now feeling sore about it? If you are, I extend an olive branch to you too (and I promise not to laugh at you either). =)

To answer your original question: honestly, I can't say for sure. You are asking me to answer in absolute terms, but I think a better response would be one represented on a scale. I suppose the NMPs are a form of checks and balances, but I'm not in a position to judge if they (meaning their numbers and powers) are effective. Also I'm not sure if there are other systems in place. On a personal level I think we don't have enough checks and balances, and could certainly do with more.

As for your other comments: yes, I do blame the speculators (well, most of those who post their theories online anyway) because, by and large the only purpose of their speculation was to slam the govt.

I believe there is a distinct line between being *critical* and being *cynical*. My original comments were in response to the cynics, whose bias ran so deep that they failed to be rational. You obviously think balance is a good thing: now tell me, were many of the conspiracy theorists *balanced* in their views? Wouldn't you agree most were being *only* cynical?

Cynicism only contributes finger-pointing and sacarstic remarks. On the other hand analytical criticism can contribute constructive ways to improve. I don't think I'm wrong to say people should strive to be more like the latter.

To imply from my comments that I am a 'ball carrier who persuades bloggers to write only the good stuff' is way way off the mark, sir. Just because I speak against someone who speaks irrationally against the govt, does not mean I am automatically *for* the govt. Think about it.

Hi anonymous posters,

Since your posts could have been directed to any one of me, cuttlefish or feedmetothefish I'm not very sure what to make of them and thus won't comment. All I can promise is that I'm not astroturfing here or anywhere else.


At May 20, 2009 at 2:49 AM , Anonymous cuttlefish said...

To fish,
like I said you need to detox brain. You don't seem to understand that people become cynical when they lose trust in the PAP govt. So simple yet this reasoning is lost on you.

You consider the NMP scheme as checks and balance. Really ? Are you aware NMPs are not elected and they cannot vote ? Who do they represent when the selection is done by the PAP ? Isn't it the same with the president of Spore ?

Again you leave me no doubt you are brainwashed and also incapable of critical analysis yourself. All the more laughable when you have been insinuating others are not constuctive or analytical in their criticism of this govt. That's like egg in one's face, right ?

Try to learn from this, how you engage others by the way you write says a lot about yourself. Now get this right, I speak from the heart when I say the pathetic leadership running this country do not deserve any respect.

At May 20, 2009 at 3:08 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I suppose the NMPs are a form of checks and balances, but I'm not in a position to judge if they (meaning their numbers and powers) are effective. "

What a joke and nonsense. The check and balance is by the MPs not NMP because only when the majority of MPs vote against the current government that the government will be replaced according to the written law. Now, do you why LKY wants majority of MPs to be PAP conformist and allow a few maverick MP to give view to show that there is balance (But then since when any MPs other than Sylia speak out ? Take note that if NMP is so effective why is it that NONE OF SIEW
's view ever been considered at all, and been implemented. Yes, NONE at all. So do your check.

NOw do you now know why MPs can vote of no confidence to policies and that as long as LKY assure that majority of MPs win, he will tolerate dissent view of minority maverick MPs.

Please understand how the politic game is played here and how dirty Harry is. Dirty Harry.

At May 20, 2009 at 6:58 AM , Anonymous medisave said...

Constructive criticism - I have followed Feed's post.

This is something constructive - withdrawal of medisave to help pay for his medical fees should not attract govt fees as the money belongs to the people.

Fish, do you agree to this constructive criticism of Feed?

As it stands, medisave contribution is compulsory, and when it is utilised citizens get slapped with fees. Is that a right thing to do?

At May 20, 2009 at 9:11 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Fish,

Do you believe in the Vincent Cheng Marxist conspiracy?

I don't. And I don't believe Mas Selamat flew over the double fence with a limp.

And I don't believe Ho Ching deserves an award for her work at Temasek Holdings. Do you?


At May 20, 2009 at 10:31 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Basically, how do you expect the ppl to trust their govt when the latter is not transparent all the time, even in the case of Mas Selamat. Yes, he is now caught. (That means he was not killed in detention, which is just one of the numerous speculations) But that does not mean the govt did nothing wrong. There are still many, many questions, like how did he manage to escape? Why was the stretch of coast not security tightened immediately? etc.

At May 22, 2009 at 3:15 AM , Anonymous fish said...

A bit touchy aren't you, cuttlefish? You want a cookie to go with the olive branch?

You stated your point clearly enough. Let me tell you why I had not addressed it.

Simply put, I am not interested in *why* people were cynical enough to believe and propagate conspiracy theories. The purpose of my post was to comment on *how* these people allowed their cynicism to impede rational thought.

Was it understandable that these people did not want to believe the govt's explanation? Sure.

Was it clever of them to instead believe the conspiracy theories that relied on little fact and even less common sense? My answer is no. I suspect yours is too.

Would it have been better if, instead on being blinded by sentiment, they exercised a little more rationality before deciding which course of events was true? I would say yes. You wouldn't happen to have a different answer now, would you?

At May 22, 2009 at 9:22 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear fish said
"Was it clever of them to instead believe the conspiracy theories that relied on little fact and even less common sense? "

Given the sore lack of facts or information from the govt of the day, I supposed Fish idea would have been to 'shut up and sit down' and depend fully on MHA statements alone instead of asking tough questions.

Way to go Fish!

As of today, I still do not believe in the MHA statements of Marxist conspiracy or Mas Selamat escape, or even his recapture.

Now Najip is hanging around Singapore, talking about investment with Mas release to Singapore as a bargaining point? But that would be again coming up with fanciful 'conspirational theories' instead of some insightful analysis that is never done by our Straits times.

At May 22, 2009 at 12:26 PM , Anonymous cuttlefish said...

to fish,

Why are you harping about Mas ? To claim credit you were right to listen to the WKS's explanation ?
Isn't it laughable for this govt and yourself to gloat only on hindsight, not forgetting Mas was captured by the Malaysians and S'pore allowed him to escape twice.

For your info, I kept an open mind to all speculations about Mas. Even reservists holding snr positions in the military had their own take of the incident. Those speculations to you were irrational, but you should ask whether practically can it be done ? Mind you military men ask themselves these questions of the enemy, dosn't matter if it appears irrational.

We are both very different, I would not put my fellow citizens down by calling them cynical or stupid just because they indulged in speculation. I rather ask why and what caused them to be cynical ?

You should spend more time directing questions to the PAP govt rather than defending their position. Learn to speak with sincerity first before offering others the olive branch. This PAP leadership is beyond redemption and we don't need more citizens going the same way.

At May 22, 2009 at 6:46 PM , Blogger FeedMeToTheFish said...

Hi Fish,

I don't think I want to be feedmetothefish anymore. I'd rather be feedmetothecuttlefish or feedmetotheanonymous.

I do not want you to feed on me.

You like to offer an 'olive branch' and sign off with 'peace' and in between, you seem to be insulting me with words like:

"I have not come here to laugh at you (although a part of me would not mind doing so, because I think on many levels you represent what is rotten and cynical in Singapore".

By the way you write, people can tell the character that you are.

If you read the right column of my blog, you may understand the reason for my postings. I don't write to praise Caesar. I write because there's already too much embarrassing praises for Caesar from testicles carriers. I write to get it off my chest, to breathe easier.

On your comment that
"I have a (thankfully distant) relative who's quite the same - always finding fault with the govt, or spouting some lame conspiracy theories, and generally putting a damper on the mood when we have family gatherings. It is quite sad because nobody tells him off due to his age, and his wife obviously doesn't like it and is deeply embarrassed by his behaviour..."

I wish you to know that unlike your sad relative, I'm most welcomed in my family gatherings and all of us have a good time laughing at silliness like "mee siam mai hum"; "the missing $$$ in BoA"; "1st world govt, 3rd world citizens"; "Do we have to pay for a New Causeway Bridge for Mas Selamat to jalan across to Singapore". Yes, we do have fun and unlike your relative, my dear wife is not embarrassed but proud and loves me for who I am and what I post in my blog.

If you feel like laughing at me, go ahead. It'll do you good! If you're doing things "from your heart", do not suppress your inner desire.

Hey, like I said I write to get it off my chest. To be called "irrational" or a "conspiracy theorist" or "on many levels you represent what is rotten and cynical in Singapore" comes with the territory if one wants to blog. In fact, my latest post may get more interesting comments.

As far as Mas Selamat Jalan is concerned, the truth of his great escape is still out there!

Hopefully with the current horse trading between PM Lee and PM Najib (in Singapore now), we may get closer to the truth.

The truth is still out there and he who laughs last laughs best!


At May 23, 2009 at 2:49 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Simply put, I am not interested in *why* people were cynical enough to believe and propagate conspiracy theories. "

Yes, that is to create awareness for the government to do something. With people making fun and speculating, do you think the government damn care to explain their action and decision ?

At May 23, 2009 at 6:51 PM , Anonymous fish said...

Hi feedmetothefish,

Thanks for your response.

I'm sorry if my post has come off as insulting or rude. In hindsight I should definitely have chosen my words better. I hope you will forgive me and allow me to explain myself.

I only found your blog recently after seeing a comment you had made somewhere else. This made me recall our previous exchange at a different blog regarding Mas Selamat's escape. At that time I was responding to the various theories that were circulating, and I was telling the blog owner why, because the probability of them being true were so remote, to promote and support such theories (especially in the absence of proof) was just silly.

You then shot me down by insisting that I should not discount how evil the govt could be, and that I should give credit to those who did not support them. That was one of the worst arguments I had read for believing the theories (to be fair you probably did not bother to write in too much detail in that blog), and it stuck in my mind ever since.

The tone and intention of your reply came to epitomise, in my mind, how otherwise normal and intelligent people could allow deeply held prejudices to cloud their judgement and take an opposing view on something just because it contradicts or hurts the thing(s) that they hate, irrespective of how illogical or ludicrous the view might be.

It was with the above in mind that made me write the way I did. I apologise if I had offended you by doing so.

I certainly don't think you have to "praise Caesar", nor do I really want to laugh at you at all. Having had time to read more of your posts I do acknowledge instances where you make good sense, and I also appreciate you drawing attention to things other people might overlook. On the other hand I do find some entries that are not really productive, and these are generally 'mocking posts' seemingly made with the sole intention to, well, mock. But I recognise you may have written them to vent, or "get things off your chest", as they were.

Still, this is your blog and you don't have to accept my critique if you don't want to.

I am honestly glad you are not like my relative (who maybe is too consumed by it all) and that you are able to discuss things with your family in a lighthearted way.

I wish you all the best. Peace.

At May 23, 2009 at 11:04 PM , Blogger FeedMeToTheFish said...

Hi Fish,

What is important to me may not be important to you. What is important to you may not be important to me.

No two characters are alike and we are what we are due to life experiences, genes and many other factors.

I thank you for reading my posts and I appreciate your kind and understanding tone in your latest comment.

Do feel free to visit and comment anytime with peace in your heart.

I wish you all the best and peace be with you always.

"I believe if more people work towards a better society, if we are motivated by love, justice, peace and compassion, and cared more about the environment, more people will certainly start to experience heaven on earth. I hope this event can help younger Singaporeans appreciate how we can all play a part in building a better society, whether we are Christian, Muslim or of other faiths." Christina Tseng



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I read cuttlefish's several instances of condemnation of the government with much interest. No government in the world is perfect, of course, so I wonder which regime cuttlefish would like to hold up as a model that our own can emulate?

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The regime in "animal farm" is the best role model and after 50 years, Spore is the best example.
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