Saturday, August 18, 2012

So easy to mock, so difficult to build one's integrity and self-worth

Is our Parliament nothing more than a rubber stamp to pass laws and amendments proposed by PAP? Is it an institution for the betterment of Singapore and Singaporeans or a place for PAP Ministers to politically browbeat their opponents?

In Part 1 and Part 2 of below, you can listen and judge for yourself if this is a criminal court where innocents are browbeaten and insulted into submission. Or is it Singapore's Parliament?
(Please bear with the first 30 seconds of silence as the Law Minister was comfortably arranging his papers while other members of the house wait.)
Part 1
Part 2

If a picture paints a thousand words, a video does much more. Unfortunately, the above video ends up as an audio. On the bright side, it will help readers rest their eyes a little while concentrating more in listening to arrogance, insults and belittlement of one Singaporean against another: The insults on the integrity and competence by a minister against an MP of the same law fraternity but of different political party.

Is Sylvia Lim not a 'fair minded lawyer' because she refused to accept Shanmugum's proposition? If we go along with Shanmugum, I'm afraid there are many Singaporeans who are not fair minded simply because we are disquieted by the action of the prosecution.

At 01:20 of Part 2, the Law Minister said,"Let me move on". When the Speaker of the House interjected to let Sylvia has her say, Shanmugum simply brushed the speaker off by saying, "Miss Lim can answer at the end. Let me move." If my ears are not playing tricks on me, am I to infer that protocol and respect for parliamentary proceedings has become a sham, gone to the dogs? What's the Speaker of the House there for? To be timidly walked over by a PAP minister? With that, how is the Speaker going to call the Parliament to order?

Shanmumgum said at 1:46 of Part 2, " I would say this to Miss Lim. Rather than referring to some unnamed lawyers, who she says know better, she is a lawyer she can look at the facts and she can give us her view based on the facts because I think if we leave aside politics and we want to be honest and fair, then we must look at the facts and we have a duty to the public to say exactly, based on these facts, based on these cases, I agree this is the position.  It has nothing to do with intimidation. Let's not throw words like intimidation around."

I humbly suggest that the Minister not throw words like "I think if we leave aside politics and we want to be honest and fair, then we must look at the facts and we have a duty to the public to say exactly, based on these facts, based on these cases, I agree this is the position." Just because Shan said so, we must agree with his position? It's bloody condescending! It shows the arrogance that makes PAP so detestable!

At 2:51, he said,"Next, Section 182 when Dr Wu committed his offences, an offence under 182 was punishable by a fine not exceeding $1,000 or imprisonment of a term not exceeding 6 months, or both, which is exactly the same punishment, for a charge under section 81.3 of the Road Traffic Act, and I assume, at least, qualified lawyers won't quarrel with that."

Again, a detrimental insinuation against Sylvia on her quality as a lawyer.

4:10: " Several people have rushed in to allege bad faith on the part of the prosecution. The prosecution is an important institution in our legal framework. I think Miss Lim as well as other members agree that we have to be responsible when making comments about it. It is easy to pull down and mock, less easy to build and in the context of these facts, I trust members will acknowledge it is quite untenable to allege that prosecution had exercise discretion in bad faith given the facts I have set out."

"And I was really hoping for an obvious answer that having looked at these cases, Miss Lim would be fair enough to say: "Yes, I agree the judgement in Dr Wu's case comes within the framework here." I gave her 3 opportunities, she did not (sic). It is not a question of questioning the motive but rather hoping because of these statements that I have made in many palces about the Attorney-General and our Judicial System that between 2 lawyers, Miss Lim and myself, we can put to rest these allegations in a fair, transparent, open way. But it is not to be."

After insulting and intimidating Sylvia, Shanmugum ended by being disappointed by Sylvia not agreeing with him as one lawyer to another that the prosecution did not screw up.

As commoner to a successful ex-lawyer-now-law-minister, I humbly say it is easy to pull down and mock a alternative politician but it is less easy to build your reputation and impossible to have your integrity intact after such an act!

My previous blog on this issue was featured at TR Emeritus [Link] and here are some cogent comments that may be worth reading:


Richard Lu:
August 15, 2012 at 4:59 pm  (Quote)
Shanmugam is a Minister and no less The Minister of Law.
In Parliament he behaves like a two-bit lawyer defending a hoodlum – bullying, bulldozing and always looking for the upper hand. Does he believe that he is Lee Kuan Yew or LKY incarnate? There can be only one ‘hatchet man’ and we don’t want another one in Parliament.
The Minister of Law must remember that Parliament is the place to explain and dispense good advice if he has any. As a Minister he must never talk down. He must be humble and speak with humility. He must explain things simply and if possible with wit and humor. Instead we have a belligerent and confrontational cock waiting to strike down anyone who opposes him.
Netizens are waiting to flay him and that I am sure they will do. Shamugam’s methods in Parliament will not win him friends. Mind you he is also the Minister of Foreign Affairs. He is far distant in abilities and experience compared to ex-Minister George Yeo who unfortunately had to be removed from Government. Ex-Minister Yeo makes a a fairly good minister and is mostly polite and non-confrontational. What a difference in the two.


WAS WOOFLES EVEN DISQUALIFIED:
August 15, 2012 at 11:00 pm  (Quote)
In case you are not aware……5 of the 6 cases mentioned by Shanmugam were penalised with disqualification from driving, ranging from 12 months to 24 months.
They were also fined between $1,500 to $4,000.
So a repeat offender like Woffles Wu…..did he get an equivalent
sentence?
Interesting to compare apples with apples since all these cases were prosecuted under the same law.
Any comments please?

District Magistrate:
August 16, 2012 at 11:13 pm  (Quote)
After watching the short debate between Miss Slyvia Lim of the WP party and the PAP Law Minister Mr Shamemugam in Parliament, I am all praise for Miss Lim for standing up to speak on matters that the people of Singapore really want to know. However I cannot said the same for Mr Shamemugam, who I find that he had used ‘threatening and intimitating’ words at Miss Lim.
As I see it Miss Lim was asking a legitimate question in Parliament and it is the concerned Ministry or Minister to give a explanation or a answer to the question asked. However the Minister chosed to avoid giving a direct answer and instead used threatening and intimitating words in the reply. He had turned this Parliament session into a criminal interrogation session.
Poor Miss Lim must have been nervous but not afraid although she could have been taken aback at the sudden outburst of the Minister. It is very clear before the many eyes of the people who watched this episode that the Law Minister was trying to twist around the situation. He was clearly unable to give a legitimate answer to Miss Lim’s question.
I am really ashamed to see a man who had learned Law and is now using his Law knowledge to bully a lady. He is acting like a criminal lawyer and not a respectable Minister. It is indeed a SHAME to the Govt and especially to the Prime Minister who had employed such person like Mr Shamemugam

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At August 18, 2012 at 7:28 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ng Kok Lim's latest..

[Heated exchange in House between MP and minister]

http://trulysingapore.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/heated-exchange-in-house-between-mp-and-minister/

 
At August 18, 2012 at 9:35 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some even consider our Law Minister to be of Prime Ministerial material?

God help us

 
At August 18, 2012 at 9:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If God cannot help us.
Then only Opposition can help us.

 
At August 18, 2012 at 1:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Feed me to the fish,

this is not only blatant shameless stance by the PAP, another jaw-dropping stance by PAP is the creative accounting that they have been doing all along in TH/GIC until it is exposed up by Christopher Balding that the government can no longer ignored and pretend otherwise.

You are talking about more than $50 billions unaccounted amount for creative accounting. When worldcom and enron (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2080180.stm) set the US in turmoil, it is even less than $10 billion, and it is done by public companies, and here we are, creative accounting done by the government. This is the worst kind of creative accounting. How can a government collude with TH/GIC , and government organizations in coverup such amount ? What is the role of CPIB ? What is it no investigation at all ? Who bloody investigate the government over these wrong-doings ? Why are they still acting blur ?

So this is another case of move-on.

You have incompetent performance of clowns masked as long term while short-term reward themselves extraordinarily.


 
At August 18, 2012 at 1:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is indeed a SHAME to the Govt and especially to the Prime Minister who had employed such person like Mr Shamemugam"

There is a saying that the kind of leadership can only attract the kind of like-mind. It simply reflect the character of those at top. Didn't we know that PM lee, his father and his party are really a joke ? Unfortunately the joke is on us.

They really really treating the public as daft and fool forgetting that this is the internet era , not mainstream shit era.

 
At August 18, 2012 at 2:13 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shanmugan is an empty shell with lots of hot air but no logic. He appears like an academic full of shit and failed to address the real perception from the ground. He can talk whole day in parliament trying to dress down a genuine concern citizens but end of the day, the shit will still throw back to him and he will have to answer it again and forced to apologise like LHL to finally answer to the truth heart of men. The more he speak the more it paint Singapore judiciary system in bad light.

After the above videos and his answer, I am still not convinced that AGC is fair. Shanmugam has not answered to the people doubts.

 
At August 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"forced to apologise like LHL to finally answer to the truth heart of men"

We don't need apology from them anymore. Just remove them in next election.

They are just like a person screwing around, and when get caught repeatedly, intimidated other by their law, and if it does not work, pretend to apologise, then move on and continue their screwing way while amending their ambiguous law even more to protect themselves

Enough is enough. Do we want more years of been screwed after giving them more than 50 years of repentant time ?

 
At August 18, 2012 at 2:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not know why, but the former Law Minister does not piss me off. This current Law Minister just makes me turn off or switch channels when I see his face.

 
At August 18, 2012 at 3:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disgusting brow beating and doing everything to avoid answering the question. Worst still is to ignore the concerns we have as a citizen who all share the same concerns.

This minister another lame duck. Lacking EQ and think they are dam smart.

We should talk to his ex wife who would propbably tell us more

 
At August 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is the operating procedure of the PAP, Anon 3.41pm.

They do a number of usual things.

1)Silencing an opposition in numbers whenever they ask critical questions.

2) Answering (or would I say, not answering) a question by asking another question.

3) Keeping quiet and hoping for the problem to die down.

4) If all else fails, bring out the grandmaster to deflect the attack.

QED

 
At August 18, 2012 at 5:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

August 18, 2012 4:34 PM,

to add on,

5) When unable to answer critical question then accuse the opp party MP of being confrontational, being politically-motivated and giving false allegations, and also intimidating with threat.

6) To let the issue dies down, divert attention by weird performance of PAP mp (eg auction kade spade by TPL, nonsensical interview of party MPs), and timely release of police's cases (in the midst you find that the police has finished investigation of certain case after prolong period, coincidence ?). If such can be called coincidence, may I ask why the govt didn't strike lottery every time ?

Why these events are so timely ? I wonder why these didn't bring up before the Hougang by-election. Your guess is as good as mine .

 
At August 18, 2012 at 5:57 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The law minister thinks he is above the law. Anybody questioning the actions of his Ministry, even in Parliament, must have sinister motives. Answer the lady!

He behaves like the second coming of LKY - bullying, badgering, blustering, browbeating, bulldozing, the opposition, into submission, with circumloquacious arguments or spins.

What an arrogant asshole. Ministers behaving like attack dogs in our so called 1st World Parliament, no different from the chair throwing farce and fracas in Seoul, Taiwan and Hong Kong. We need more opposition, for sure....

"MPs...are also not permitted to impute improper motives to other MPs, or to refer to the conduct or character of any MP or public servant other than that person's conduct as an MP or public servant".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Singapore#Ministerial_accountability
8/18/2012 17:51

 
At August 18, 2012 at 6:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do I feel that he was acting like Woffle Wu's lawyer in parliament. He wanted to defend for him till the end of days and not addressing what Silvia Lim was asking.

 
At August 18, 2012 at 10:17 PM , Blogger asingaporeanson said...

Don't vote for someone who has no intention of answering the questions of the people.

 
At August 18, 2012 at 11:04 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree. Nothing else can work now.

 
At August 19, 2012 at 4:21 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Politics here seems to turn pleasant fellows into arrogant so-and-so's. Shanmugam came across as an ok kind of guy before he became a minister. He is not the first in whom i've observed a turnaround.

I met dhanabalan when he was heading DBS at the topping off of DBS bldg. He was lively, curious, friendly. I encountered him again a few years after he became a minister. It was backstage, after a play. He lectured the pple around him, and was cold and condescending.

 
At August 19, 2012 at 10:23 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

PAP's loss of Aljunied GRC.

"Retrenchment is good for the economy. If there is no retrenchment, then I worry for Singapore."

 
At August 19, 2012 at 12:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fook that guy for not behaving lar, wtf

 
At August 19, 2012 at 4:40 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fair minded people are ashamed and even embarrassed at your conduct and behaviour, grandstanding and hectoring an MP who asked a legitimate question on behalf of the public. Minister, you forget yourself, that you are in Parliament, and not in a cul-de-sac or a blind alley.

 
At August 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some are now so high up in the tower, becomes so terribly arrogant, that they tend to behave like immortals, preaching and heckling at lesser mortals.

 
At August 19, 2012 at 10:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those who say this Sham bugger is PM material should meet his ex wife. In fact ask those in the serangoon area whether they support him.




 
At August 20, 2012 at 9:52 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ng Kok Lim's latest..

[Parliamentarians must set aside partisan interests]

"Dear Straits Times,
I refer to the 16 Aug 2012 letter by Mr Alex Chiang."

http://trulysingapore.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/parliamentarians-must-set-aside-partisan-interests/

 
At August 23, 2012 at 11:20 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a typical behavior of PAP members, arrogant and talking down to us...can't stand them.

 
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