Friday, August 31, 2012

'Ethical Limit' on "FaceBook"?

Did you read of the judgement made against Dr Susan Lim for overcharging her patient from Brunei? "Doctors face 'ethical limit' on charges . . . SMC considered striking Dr Susan Lim off medical registry" ST 31 Aug 2012.

This gave me a funny thought.

If doctors must stick to an 'ethical limit' when charging their patients, must ministers do the same when charging taxpayers for ministerial services? I guess they did with the Gerard Ee Ministerial Salary Review with Mercer earning $840,000 from the exercise.

If the services of a doctor help patients get better, should not the services by ministers help citizens get better too? Are Singaporeans getting better? You be the judge.

Maybe, just maybe, Singaporeans aren't getting better because of the neglect from ministerial services. Ministers in Singapore nowadays are so busy playing with their computer that they may not have time to minister. Just look at Facebook! Seems like any PAP minister worth his salt must have a FB account accumulating 'likes', 'fans' and 'followers'.

And what do they write in the FB? Bragging about their achievements like:
  • how fast he builds 'market subsidised' flats to make his predecessor look worse
  • how he paid only $8 for a heart bypass operation
  • how hard they work and how many residents they meet at their 'meet-the-people-session'
  • how happy they are with the support and applause they get in their speeches to the 'dafts'
  • how they help residents not to be 'racists' and 'xenophobic'
  • how happy they are answering questions and comments of their FB followers
  • how thoughtful of them to invite bloggers to tea and being grateful for tau huay? 
Self praise?

With ministers facebooking all the time, who is governing Singapore?

Foreign talents?

If "SMC considered striking Dr Susan Lim off medical registry", is it time for Singaporeans to consider striking ministers off the governing registry?

Or have we to 'repent' for what we did to George Yeo and Lim Hwee Hwa in Aljunied GRC in 2011?

Funny thought could get serious. Or has 'noise' turn into valuable soundbites?

feedmetithefish


49 Comments:

At August 31, 2012 at 11:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not all bloggers got invited lah. It is usually the same few again and again.
They do not like fish, bear, diary keeper and rar etc.
Singaporeans shud be grateful that ministers are having conversations with the citizens through Facebook. They do not stop You from speaking your mind tho they can moderate or delete yr posting. And if You are converted after talking to them, You are free to do so. Some bloggers do seemed to have been won over, nothing wrong with that. It just showed that the ministers are convincing, nothing more.

Remember that in Sin, the Law is legislated by Law Makers to ensure ethical behavior. Wat is ethical or not is not for the people to say.

 
At September 1, 2012 at 1:19 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Difference between SMC and Singapore electorate - SMC not daft!

 
At September 1, 2012 at 9:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, there is an ethical limit.

But no, we will not tell you what that limit is.
It's a "secret"?

http://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/slw/headlinesnews/13299-doctors-face-ethical-limit-on-charges.html?utm_source=rss%20subscription&utm_medium=rss

 
At September 1, 2012 at 9:16 AM , Blogger Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Ethics is best self administered. How many jokers are really ethical enough to say, hey, I am taking too much for doing so little or doing fuck all?

Only the jokers know how much they are taking for not contributing. Where is the conscience? Or where is the heart?

 
At September 1, 2012 at 11:05 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

But we are paying for incorruptible talent, not for work done.

 
At September 1, 2012 at 11:16 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fish,
you are right to point out the MIW have been overcharging citizens just like what Dr Susan Lim had done with her royal patient.
However the similarity ends here, because in Susan's case her patient could easily engage another physician while sporeans have been deprived of suitable choices to represent them.
For example, sporeans voting in a GRC are forced to accept duds in the team.

Having said, I believe the MIW are the best examples to illustrate whatever unethical behaviour one can think of.
Abusing the ISA, MSM, SPF, Judiciary, etc, by ensuring their subservience, cheating in elections, their MPs not speaking up for voters in parliament, avoiding accountability for their failed policies, passing laws to alter interpretation of our constitution without a national referendum, condoning nepotism and cronyism....

It begs the question, can such unethical behaviour be construed as crimes against Singaporeans ?






 
At September 1, 2012 at 11:33 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At September 1, 2012 at 11:34 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At September 1, 2012 at 11:53 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our system uses the Judge, jury and executioner method. We need to bring back the jury system for true justice to prevail.

 
At September 1, 2012 at 12:33 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"sporeans voting in a GRC are forced to accept duds in the team.", unquote.
There was the choice of other party. Unless voters took it that both or the multiple party standing in the grc are duds.

THE VOTERS HAD CHOICES, but they chose duds. Whose fault? The voters or the chosen?

 
At September 1, 2012 at 12:36 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We need to bring back the jury system for true justice to prevail.", unquote.

Who are the 'we'?

Wat power or authority does the'we' have to institute the Jury System?

 
At September 1, 2012 at 3:11 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@anon 12.33pm
did i not mention cheating in elections? do you understand what is gerrymandering ?
do you understand the outcome of using the MSM to tarnish image of your competitors ? do you even have the slightest idea who has the advantage with the GRC system couple with increase in election deposit ? can you project how this can be further abused ?

take all the above into consideration including elimination of competitors and there is really nothing to crow about when talking about "the voters had a choice....."

ps: the MIW can never ever be trusted. period.

 
At September 2, 2012 at 1:57 PM , Blogger oldhorse42 said...

Doctor has no ethic! If I see a doctor for some ailment and I do not get better after a few days, can I ask for my money back or another diagnosis free? No right!
But if I send in my bike for repair and it is not carried out properly I can go back to the mechanic to have it properly done up at no additional cost.

 
At September 3, 2012 at 12:29 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Anon @3.11pm.

No doubt at all that the People In White cannot be trusted. A point that almost all netizens will agree.
And
many, if not most Singaporeans are aware of gerrymandering and smearing of Alternative Parties and their members.
The above however, did not disqualify Alternative Parties from contesting in the GE. The Last GE was contested nation-wide. It did not result in voters choosing Alternative Party Candidates. 60% voted for PAP and that proved that despite all the known tactics, the voters had made their choice.

There was no dispute about the Result, hence, be it duds or benign calibres, the Voters had made their choice. It is just not right to call the choice of the people duds, period.

 
At September 3, 2012 at 1:39 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Last GE was contested nation-wide. It did not result in voters choosing Alternative Party Candidates. 60% voted for PAP and that proved that despite all the known tactics, the voters had made their choice"

That is not really fair to say so. PAP need to tell us how many foreigners are converted to citizens first before humming the same tune.


 
At September 3, 2012 at 9:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

We can talk and talk here but this problem of incompetency will never go away. Remember Animal Farm? When we are facing a common problem, we rally togather to solve the problem e.g. drive away the master. Come a period of euphoria and a set of new leaders take over. Same things appear. That is why America do not allow its leader to government more than two terms. Something we can also consider.

 
At September 3, 2012 at 11:06 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The services of Ministers here do not help Singkies get better, they help themselves and their cronies get better. Ethics has its roots in moral values and conscience - do you expect them to place an ethical limit around themselves, when this circumscribes their self-interests? But being hypocrites they will preach this to others - a code of conduct on the internet, to show big heart and generosity to others, etc ad nauseum....

Sylvia Lim said in 2007 that it was unconscianable to raise Ministerial salaries - and they went ahead anyway. Where is the ethics and conscience? The purpose of government is to serve the people, not yourselves.

 
At September 3, 2012 at 11:24 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

They looked after their own people. Teachers just got a 8% pay rise.

 
At September 3, 2012 at 12:08 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

dear anon@ 12.29am
i don't follow the last part of your argument when you imply that because 60% voted for the incumbents, it is therefore not right to say their choice are duds.

so far how many of these duds have spoken up for ordinary sporeans ?

so far has the lives of ordinary sporeans improve with the duds in 'absolute' control of our country ?

 
At September 3, 2012 at 1:59 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Duds re in control bcos the VOTERS HAVE GIVEN THEM THE MANDATE TO RULE.
And
PLEASE GET THIS RIGHT, THE GOVERNMENT'S DUTY IS TO RULE OVER YOU. THAT IS TO RULE YOU! GET IT.

Whoever says the Government's is to take care of the people, IS DEFINITELY DAFT.

 
At September 3, 2012 at 11:46 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The voters' duty is to screw the Govt until they rule better....

 
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http://kburns421.hubpages.com/hub/Journalism-and-Media-Propaganda-and-Framing
http://www.globalissues.org/article/157/war-propaganda-and-the-media


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At September 4, 2012 at 1:54 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

IF AND WHENCE VOTERS KNOW THAT EACH TIME THEY CAST THEIR VOTE, IT IS FOR SOMEONE TO TAKE AWAY THEIR FREEDOM, THEY WILL VOTE MORE CAREFULLY THOUGH NOT NECESSARILY WISELY.

Vote for them, then screw them?

 
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