Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Are we proud of what happened to the PRC drivers?

We pledge, "To build a democratic society based on justice and equality!' but we repatriated 29 Chinese nationals who came to work as bus drivers in SMRT. Why?  Because they have the ballsiness  to fight for their rights to fair wages and bettet living condition. We also jailed Bao Feng Shan for 6 weeks for being vocal "threatening comments" while talking to his bosses!

Many may sing praises for SMRT and Ministry of Manpower (and other ministries involved) for their damaging retort to the bus drivers. But I'm ashamed. By such drastic and righteous (legal?) actions against the bus drivers, is the government trying to show that we Singaporeans are saved from mayhem and hell-fire of the PRC drivers? Or is the message to Singaporeans: "Yo! SingaSuckers, don't mess with me! You hear! It's my way or the highway!" 

Geddit?

Have a heart, man. I remember when Tan Chuan-Jin, rambling in Parliament about the sacrifice he has to make as a Minister. Choking over his words, he said (yes, it is in the Hansard): "I'm pained by the knowledge that I'll miss the many moments when my children are growing up and time with my family. My parents are not getting any younger. Those moments missed do not return. Ever... In time I will look back and there will be gaps. But that's life. I'm not sure how one considers it a privilege to miss these precious moments. It trivialises all of us who do cherish these."  when an Opposition member stated that it is a privilege to serve Singaporeans as a MP and/or minister. Ooops . . . and his privilege comes with $$$$million$$$ in salary as minister!

Is this the same guy responsible for the loss of jobs of 29 plus the imprisonment of 1 (with possibly 4 more)? Geez, Mr Minister maybe, just may be, the 34 PRC drivers have parents and children too . . .

There is so much rumble on the msm denouncing the PRC drivers for their-law-breaking strike. However, there is not a whimper on the plight of the drivers. I'm glad that Vincent Wijeysinhga has written a piece on the "strike" and the impropriety of the powerful in this sad state of affair.
See Link below:


'Minister Tan Chuan Jin, pretended to a great deal of ignorance when he said at his press conference on Saturday,

"SMRT must take steps to ensure that such severe breakdowns in labour relations should not happen again. We all know that there are statutory requirements that companies need to fulfil and these are expected of all companies but there are also many non-statutory practices which frankly any good company should fulfil as well and this includes how you manage your staff, employees, how you engage them and how you look after them, looking after their welfare and this includes both local and foreign employees and frankly it is common sense, companies are expected to do that.

"The issue is really why did this happen? Why was it allowed to fester? We do understand that the channels of communication are there. So the question is, did it filter upwards? Did it not filter upwards? And why not? And those are things we have to examine."

I am afraid I have to tell him his protestations are mealy-mouthed. The nation, through the good offices of The Online Citizen, has known about this matter since September. Mr Tan cannot claim ignorance now: he comes across as either incompetent or not telling the whole truth. I invite him to clarify.'

feedmetothefish

61 Comments:

At December 4, 2012 at 11:52 AM , Blogger Chua Chin Leng aka redbean said...

Hi Fish, This is winning a battle and losing the war.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 12:00 PM , Anonymous gm . 绿效精神 said...

One more thing to ponder when all bottom-up (HR/ management/ union/ …) fail: Did frustrated PRC bus drivers ever approach Chinese embassy for legal help?

 
At December 4, 2012 at 12:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm pained by the knowledge that I'll miss the many moments when my children are growing up and time with my family. My parents are not getting any younger. Those moments missed do not return. Ever... In time I will look back and there will be gaps. But that's life. I'm not sure how one considers it a privilege to miss these precious moments. It trivialises all of us who do cherish these."


What is he whinning about? To people like Darkness & Co it is just another day at work. Do you see them whinning like this cry baby?

If he doesn't like it, he should go and join a fortune 500 company, but it is doubtful he will ever do that, as no one will ever pay him so much for delivering so little.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 12:45 PM , Blogger Kin Lian Tan said...

Hi Mr. Feed,
I share your views on this issue
http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2012/12/my-views-about-unofficial-strike.html

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2012/12/to-punish-or-not-to-punish.html

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2012/12/do-not-show-ugly-side-of-singaporeans.html

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2012/11/arrest-of-smrt-bus-drivers-for.html

My sympathies have been with the workers, right from the start.


 
At December 4, 2012 at 1:03 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The law is stacked AGAINST workers in Singapore. A corporation can get away with exploiting workers. (E.g. the latest rig accident most probably could have been avoided; the living conditions for the PRC drivers could have been better.) Workers have very limited rights to seek redress of grievances. They can't strike for better pay and working conditions. They are even jailed and deported for seeking equal treatment!

 
At December 4, 2012 at 1:07 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tumb up to the goverment for been very strong and firm in handling this illegal strike which will hurt everyone using the public transport. The PRC drivers should made known their problem through proper channel instead making such unlawful way. The goverment very fair in their handling. Bravo to the goverment in upheld the rule of law

 
At December 4, 2012 at 1:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I assume you are not a regular reader of this blog. That is, you are a TROLL!

 
At December 4, 2012 at 2:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Fish, I respect your write and content of thoughts, so does your desire to make events and happenings announcing more transparent & "for eyes to see.." but i wish to state very catergorically that TKL is the least qualify let alone quantify to make any comments therein especially in your well respected blog.He is cunning,sly,very self imposing & self centered, and really, he doesn't care a hood for anyone else except himself, GOD HAVE EYES AND EARS TO SEE, this man shall fall hard and die hard!

 
At December 4, 2012 at 4:03 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are we proud? Must be joking!

The Government's action is just to show Singaporean and other foreign workers that this is the kind of justice they will get if they do the same thing. A warning to all.

The Chinese saying - killing the chicken to teach the monkey.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 4:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 1.07pm
You sound like the sort who would cut your maid's pay if she dared serve your dinner 5 mins late.

The drivers DID go through the proper channels - for many months. They were brushed off. (Even the new SMRT CEO has had to acknowledge that - for diplomatic reasons.) Hence the strike.

The state of their dormitories was not checked, until they went on strike. There were no townhall meetings as claimed, until they went on strike. Tio boh?

Contrary to what the new SMRT CEO says, their overtime had been cut with the recent change in contract (are they really Still getting 60 hrs of OT a month?), which is when the drivers brought up matters - through the proper channels.

Anyway why should anyone have to resort to working 2 extra days a week (15 hrs) to earn a reasonable amount? And can they say No if they want to?

Isn't it strange that the 29 summarily dismissed and deported are getting their full compensation? Employers dun do that in Spore if the worker is in the wrong. They take everything they can from him.

Anyway, with pay and conditions improving in the countries we get most of our cheap foreign labour from, we won't need to whine about all these fellows here.

It's another matter if Sporeans will really take up the jobs they do - even with higher pay, as some claim. Even clean jobs, like service, are shunned. Dirty jobs will go abegging. Everyone ready to pick up their rubbish after themselves? From the way SINGAPOREANS litter, it appears very unlikely.

BTW, 1.07pm, were you badly affected by this strike? There haven't been any complaints about longer than normal waits for buses. Guess the rest of the bus boys got to earn some OT at last.


 
At December 4, 2012 at 4:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most people do not know the facts given by Anon 4.12. What they see on MSM is just the side of the story that they want Singaporeans to hear, repeated again and again.

Thanks to the internet, people here know better what is the real situation.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 4:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not all companies are bad but I must say SMRT comes into my mind as one of those that is badly managed. Starting with MRT woes to bus operators problems. OK, Saw was bad but what about the Board of Directors? Aren't they being paid millions too?

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:11 PM , Blogger patriot said...

So long as the PRC Government is satisfied about the arraignment and arrangement of their Citizens, Singaporeans should allow the Matter to rest.

We, the lay citizens of Sin cant be having better say than the PRC Government about others treatment of its' citizens. However, as the Case happened in Sin with much controversy, Singaporeans have done their parts. Now, that the Case is almost concluded, we should leave it to the PRC Government.

patriot

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:23 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frankly, not proud at all. If we are a democratic country, we should not prosecute people this way as if they did something really criminal. They just merely voicing out their unhappiness and ill treatment like many of us except they did not give sufficient notice. Not giving sufficient notice is not a crime at all. People should not use the law this way.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we are all disgusted by TCJ remarks. He has not a hint of basic sympathy and compassion in his heart. Everyone in pursue of a living in SIN has sacrificed and some were highly rewarded but most were not. Foreign workers especially the lowly paid have it even worse.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not very surprised that SIN will experience a blackout very soon.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are not voicing out their unhappiness only. Those who ae charged are those instigators who are aggressive and continue to threaten to disrupt services unless all their demands about wanting to be paid as high as permanent employees are met. Just for a moment put yourself into the shoes of SMRT, what would you do? To be honest, the LAZIEST solution is to just pay them as much as they want, like what the netizens wanted. Like it or not, everyone has a market price as in how much salary you can command based on your qualifications and experience. If these PRC workers think their qualification and experience and command of language and knowledge of Singapore roads deserve higher pay, then they can just go find another job that pays them better to prove to us their market value is higher. Those guys who are deported back should be happy, since they are so confident they can command higher pay elsewhere. And it is ridiculous for any company to pay people way higher than their market rate. This is not a charitable organisation This is not fair for commuters who are footing the bill. It is also not fair to the Malaysians permanent employees who could be worse off after CPF and accommodation. And who have been covering up the duties of these PRC drivers when they go on MC or strikes.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I urge people to vote in more alternative parties into the parliament. Just imagine that one day the gov may amend the rules that you have to give 14 years of notice to withdraw your cpf. Hope people can get it. Notice period is only a good practice not something criminal in nature. Some pigs love to abuse the laws.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

And please do not politicise this thing like SDP. It's a strike that is not preventable unless you pay the PRC contract workers as much as permanent employees like the Malaysians, regardless of their real market value. If we give them what they want, the next thing we will know is they will go on strike again and want to be paid as much as the Singaporean permanent bus drivers. For those of you who feel the PRC bus drivers are very abused, please make some charitable contributions to them out of your pockets. Please do not ask SMRT or any other commuters to pay them way higher than their market rate. And if you think the market rate of these PRC drivers is much higher based on their high qualifications, pls foot the bill of the difference. Not every Singapore agree with you.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 534: " Those who ae charged are those instigators who are aggressive and continue to threaten to disrupt services unless all their demands about wanting to be paid as high as permanent employees are met" - where did you read that? shit times?

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the fact that so many PRC drivers continue to stay to work for the rest of the term just shows that the pay is probably equitable and possibly much higher than they can ever get anywhere else. In short, they are paid well based on their qualifications. Trust me, PRCs are not stupid. If they can find better lobang, they would have left. They are full of lobangs.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:45 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Patriot
You miss the point. It is not about the Chinese workers but about workers' rights no matter the nationality in Singapore.

Just like you cannot write an illegal action into a contract to make it legal, so it is the same thing that you cannot make an injustice right simply because it is written as a law. We need to amend these employment laws so that there is a balance of power between employers and workers. Things like having to give 14 days notice before a strike is a joke!

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

In all faireness, MOM shouls bring SMRT being the employers to task. Have they failed their job as a dutiful responsible employer? If yes, in all fairness MOM should fined SMRT to serve as a deterrent to all employers to treat workers justly and fairly.
In thia case, it seems the PRC workers are being punished and the employers are set free.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:54 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

And it very easy to always cast blame all the time. And everything blame PAP. Perhaps for a moment, the alternative media can have a more objective view? At the rate the alternative media is going like rabid dogs jumping to blame PAP for everything, I think PAP will win big again next election. And for alternative media to be credible, there are times when we have to be objective and see things from both sides. I think SMRT has some hiccups, but surely it has served us for all these years and only 1 strike in how many years which did not cause any disruption in service? And 1 strike and why are you so keen to FIRE people and fire the new CEO and no CEO would have prevented this? Its like some rabid dogs blaming and blaming all the time without giving any credit EVER, even though SMRT has probably transported you to places for years. One strike. Cut some slack.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 5:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

And I am proud we did NOT give in to the PRC drivers demands to give them what they wanted. I am not sure about you, but for me, I don't like to be threatened. A strike is like a threat. And no one should use threats to get what they want - that is manipulative. So if my child use threats to get what he wants, i will make sure he doesn't get what he wants. i am sure some parents will give in. No right or wrong. Just different values in life. I am sure some of you will give in to threats. With this strike, I am even more convinced they do not deserve to be paid as much as the permanent Singaporean and Malaysian counterparts.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 6:06 PM , Blogger patriot said...

Hi Anon:

Points taken, thank You for the interaction.

Me had posted my views about the Strike at many blogsites. And me also agrees with most neyizens about the Matter.
Now, that it is coming to a close and that we had voiced our feelings, it is indeed up to the PRC Government to look after its' citizens. We cant be going on with a concluding case. Anyway, me was hoping for more bloggings about our very own predicaments and not dissuading total discard of the Case.

patriot

 
At December 4, 2012 at 6:59 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 558 - "And no one should use threats to get what they want - that is manipulative." - PAP always used HDB upgrading in election campaign - those are not threats?

 
At December 4, 2012 at 7:02 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And everything blame PAP" - if people cannot have proper housing, job, education, medical, retirement etc as a result of lousy public policies - someone did mess up right?

 
At December 4, 2012 at 7:02 PM , Anonymous Arm Chair critic... said...

"...Isn't it strange that the 29 summarily dismissed and deported are getting their full compensation?
December 4, 2012 4:12 PM

Another way to describe it is "hush-hush" money. Sign documents for non-disclosure and full acceptance of cash.

All perfectly legal. They do this all the time in the USA, UK anywhere.

We have very, very deep fundamental issues to reflect and decide:

Do we want to empower employees?
Are we willing to change the laws?
Who will support this change?
Who will oppose?
Why?

It is for the good of all that live on this island.. citizen, PR or tourist.

We have a choice. Choose it.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 7:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

But SMRT is charity case.
Had to receive $1.1 billion subsidy from Singapore taxpayers to continue operation.

But still refuse to give subsidized fares to Poly students.

Actually more like parasite than charity.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is PRC drivers the problem?
Or is SMRT the problem?

Teo - what do you think?

 
At December 4, 2012 at 10:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is so wrong about giving 14 days notice before going on strike? A strike is essentially a threat to the employer, if you do not give me what I want, I will may sure your customers and commuters suffer. I do not generally respect people who give threats to get what they want. If you are not happy with your job, you could negotiate with your employer or if all else fails, resign and find another job, that's provided you have some qualifications. Why do you have to bring the innocent customers into the picture? In any case, a strike is not illegal as long as you give 14 days notice. What is so horrible about giving 14 days notice? with 14 days notice, SMRT can make sure that the innocent parties, i.e. customers are not too badly affected. At the same time, the workers can still make their grievances heard. I know other countries do not have the 14 days notice requirement, but why must we always copy other countries? Perhaps we can think and stand on our own? And I don't like to be threatened. And I am sure no employer likes to be threatened or think highly of employees who threaten to harm their customers if they do not get what they want. Is that the value system we want to promote? I've seen cases of girlfriends who threaten to commit suide when they boyfriends leave them, kids threaten to make a scene when parents don't give them what they want, or employees who threaten to disrupt the company and the customers if they do not get the raise they want. Frankly, these guys should not be rewarded for using threats.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 10:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANON: December 4, 2012 10:22 PM
"I do not generally respect people who give threats to get what they want."

So ANON. What do you think about the following threats?

"If Aljunied decides to go that way, well Aljunied has five years to live and repent."

"If Singaporeans are that fickle, they will have to pay a price, the hard way."

 
At December 4, 2012 at 10:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What value system are we talking about when the Government itself cannot even tolerate differing views and have to resort to threats of punishment against opposition voters. Value system my foot.

 
At December 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 10.22 must be one of those who does not give an iota of respect for the PAP Government going by his argument. But obviously, I am mistaken from the tone of his post.

I smell a rat.

 
At December 5, 2012 at 12:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @5:58,

And I am proud we did NOT give in to the SMRT demands to give them what they wanted. I am not sure about you, but for me, I don't like to be threatened. A unfair law is like a threat. And no one should use threats to get what they want - that is manipulative. So if my child use threats to get what he wants, i will make sure he doesn't get what he wants. i am sure some parents will give in. No right or wrong. Just different values in life. I am sure some of you will give in to threats. With this unfair law, I am even more convinced they deserve to be paid as much as the permanent Singaporean and Malaysian counterparts.

 
At December 5, 2012 at 1:08 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @10:22,

The strike did not happen out of the blue. SMRT knew about and had rejected their demands.

I hope you can use your passion to advocate giving workers 90 days notice before firing them as required by law in some countries. I also hope you see that the current laws in this country are completely stacked against labor.

 
At December 5, 2012 at 7:01 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This episode only confirms my belief that the government of LHL is just as repressive as that under his old man. When shit hits the fan, it reverts back to type. The difference is that the old man tells you the hard truths, but the son tells you sweet nothings - and this makes it more duplicititious. All talk and no action makes Jack a dull boy.

Under his "meritocratic" rule, he has changed the social landscape of Singapore forever. The national pledge is just a pipe dream, or aspiration, as the old man put it. How can we be "one united people" and "progress as a nation" when 40% are foreigners! What happens when you squeeze more and more rats into a cage? We will have more social upheavals.

People like the Acting Manpower Minister are just his stooges, highly paid to do his job, at great personal sacrifices (sic). But missing in action are the Secretary General of NTUC and the President of the Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF), which together with MOM, form the Tripartite (Unholy Triangle?)- the bane of low paid employees. And the Transport Minister (it's his turf)?

These are the "Books" they can throw at you if you strike:
(1) Under Chapter 67 of the Criminal Law (Temporary Provisions) Act, it is an offence for anyone to instigate a strike.
(2) Section 109 of the Penal Code (Chapter 224): Punishment of abetment if the act abetted is committed in consequence, and where no express provision is made for its punishment.
(3) Industrial Relations Act 1967 and Trade Unions Act 1959
...and maybe others (ISA?)..depending on their mood, God help you.

 
At December 5, 2012 at 5:15 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 1022- smrt will sack you if you give notice that you wanna strike - thats the reason why we do not have a strike not because everyone is happy. these bus drivers risked their jobs to show us how deprived we are on our rights. they are not rich people but still they wanna seek the truth and show it to us. disrupted smrt services happened all the times with or without the strike. for truth, for rights, for a reasonable gov, people should accept a bit disruption of service.

 
At December 5, 2012 at 5:17 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

but TPL was let off by a warning during the election time right. justice?

 
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At December 7, 2012 at 1:02 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon December 5, 2012 7:01 AM
//missing in action are the Secretary General of NTUC and the President of the Singapore National Employers Federation (SNEF)//

They have finally come out of their hidey holes, preaching their sanctimonius, know better than thou, spiels. Should we be surprised?

http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/12/06/lim-swee-say-sbs-labour-relations-are-a-good-model-for-other-businesses/

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1241219/1/.html

 
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